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What should we do with the adult forum?
eep it. 7%  7%  [ 1 ]
eep it, but restrict access. (If you choose this, on what criteria (age, posts, etc.) do you mean?) 50%  50%  [ 7 ]
elete it. 21%  21%  [ 3 ]
on\'t know./Don\'t care. 21%  21%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2011, 20:14 
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I forgot to put this on the surveys, but I remember the staff wanting to have an open discussion about it, so I guess it's a good thing I forgot.

Do we want to keep the adult forum? Did anyone want to use it? What would we use it for? What concerns do you guys have about it? These are all questions we'd have to answer before I reopen it (or delete it).



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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2011, 22:32 
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make it 18+. same as last time.



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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2011, 22:44 
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I went in the Adult board once. I found nothing I was interested in there, and left. So, from my perspective at least:

Do we want to keep the adult forum? - I do not.
Did anyone want to use it? - Not me.
What would we use it for? - Nothing.
What concerns do you guys have about it? - My concern is that, well, some people DO want it. So even though I have no use for it and would prefer just getting rid of it--and I don't believe most members would take issue with that--some members will be upset about it.

Ultimately, does the preference of the many outweigh that of the few? Yes. However, we do not have a desire to get rid of it from the majority and a desire to keep it from a minority. We have a minority that wishes to keep it, a minority that wishes to get rid of it, and a majority that has no opinion on the matter.

My final vote, however, is to delete it.



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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2011, 11:34 
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The one flaw with that argument is that you're applying the same logic to the adult forum as you would for say, government legislation which restricts civil liberties or costs the state money to enforce. It costs nothing to keep the adult board up, it takes a minimal amount of time and effort to police it when compared to policing the other, much larger forums, a minority of people DO find that they want it, which is enough reason to keep it as it is, active, but 18+.



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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2011, 11:43 
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Never even visited once, it may have some use but without Jonathan to post some freaky hentai shit it probebly wont be the same :p



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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2011, 12:00 
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Well, there was that Valentine's Day where Brooke posted lingerie pictures in there...



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Thats it!
Keep it!



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PostPosted: 18 Jan 2011, 19:20 
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From a personal point of view I don't care whether we have it or not. I treat the adult forum just like any other forum: if there are threads that interest me, I post in them. If not, I ignore it (beyond taking an occasional look with my mod hat on).

A year ago, the adult forum seemed to have died, and I'd have recommended closing it due to lack of interest. But after Brooke's Valentine's Day thread, activity definitely picked up and since it was closed I have had a number people asking me (sometimes sounding quite disappointed) why it was removed, when it would be opened again, and where they could get a password. And I know of one member who was hoping it might be possible to get an amusing RP going in there at some point in the future. Judging by past experience, if someone posts something that interests the other members, even those who don't make a habit of going there tend to reply. Apart from that, judging by the tone of some of the more recent intro threads, it looks like we may now have more members who might enjoy such a forum than we had before.

So even though the number of people who may actively want an adult forum may be few, I think we should keep it on. As Cata said, it shouldn't take a lot of work to maintain (once the access criteria are set up), and if the people who do want it can get some interesting threads going, there's a good chance they will encourage more people to contribute.

I vote for restricted access based on post count, so that people have to prove they're an active member of MI in general in order to gain the privilege of access. Whether it should be 18+ or not depends on how explicit it's going to be allowed to be. The current content doesn't warrant it, but if it's likely to be relatively unrestricted in terms of what's allowed, then it would have to be only for adult users.



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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2011, 00:46 
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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2011, 01:01 
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I think we should keep it, but restrict access based on age. Say, 18 or so. And possibly a minimum of 50 posts, like for the advertising section.



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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2011, 13:10 
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Me? I am of the opinion the the "Adult Lobby" will be used for anything except innocent uses. While some people may want it and would use it, is it really worth tainting a gaming and art forum over? I just don't think adding an excuse to post porn, hentai and the like, is a good use of a forum.

My opinion coincides with Cassius on this one......just get rid of it.....it isn't worth having on any level.



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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2011, 14:14 
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Cata did have a legitimate point though when responding to my argument, though. As do you now.

Perhaps, rather than just throwing it open to anyone over 18, we could make access to said forum dependent on a password. This way nobody who would think negatively of such content has to even worry about accidentally stumbling into it and the family friendliness is maintained in a general sense. To lessen the load on the staff, perhaps said password could be made purchasable from the market? This would also mean that new members must earn enough points to spend on the password by posting on the boards, by which we can determine if they're going to cause any sort of mayhem with access to the Adult Board. (Though really, the only way I can imagine this happening anyway is if they just copy-pasta'd Adult Board content outside that board, or were just trolling the place and annoying the other members.)

The obvious problem with this is that one password is one password. If a member who had said password wanted to, they could just give it to someone else who didn't make the purchase.



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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2011, 16:28 
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Do we want to keep the adult forum? Aye
Did anyone want to use it? Me!
What would we use it for? Discussions about adult matters, whether they be of sexual or other natures.
What concerns do you guys have about it? None really. As it is this is a forum struggling for activity and any incentive there might be to get users to post more should be grasped with both hands. I don't think it should be restricted to age 18. It's a topic to discuss stuff, not a porn board (unless you'd prefer to turn it into stuff), and well, any teenager should be free to discuss such issues since well, it is or very soon will be a part of their lives and every bit of information they can get will be useful. Not to mention more graphic things get discussed and/or shown in sex ad class.



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PostPosted: 28 Jan 2011, 23:06 
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The implication that anything which is posted in the Adult Forum would be evil enough to "taint" the entire forum is rather judgmental. Granted, it won't be suitable for people of certain ages the same way certain movies aren't suitable, but that's no excuse to think that we'll immediately use the forum to flood the boards with "dicks, dicks everywhere" so to speak. If we can control who gets in and make sure that we can trust them to post responsibly, and treat access as a privilege which can be revoked in case other members continually flag a user's posts as offensive or irresponsible, we should be able to do fine.



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I'm sure a few people don't need to ask what I think about this cause they KNOW I have a background in adult forums and adult image boards as well *yes they are 2 different things* (very different) But Adult conversation is of course conversations typically held BY adults and I believe if a forum cannot BE adult responsibly then the forum is very Juvenile indeed. I do not believe this is a task that is out of the completely plausible realms for the Mercury Ice Community I see no reason then why it should be simply done away with. it should merely be handled by adults with the responsibility of such.




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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2011, 15:45 
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[QUOTE=Cassius;67838]The obvious problem with this is that one password is one password. If a member who had said password wanted to, they could just give it to someone else who didn't make the purchase.[/QUOTE]Is it possible to make a forum dependent on two access criteria? If people needed both a password AND a suitably high post count, it would prevent anyone who didn't meet the requirements from getting in by obtaining the password from someone else, and it would also prevent anyone who did have a high post count but didn't want to see the content from accidentally stumbling into it.



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Maybe we could have a member group, identical to the standard member group, but with access to the Adult forum? That way it'll be easy to give and take permission at will.



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The exact details of how we determine who gets in can be discussed later. Right now I'm just generally interested on what people would want in the adult forum, if we were to keep it. Right now there seem to be two conflicting thoughts on what the adult forum is. Is this a forum where people can post porn if they want, or should it be somewhere where we just discuss things that some parents might find objectionable to talk about? If it's the latter, what exactly could we talk about in there that wouldn't be suitable for the rest of the forum? Etc.

Answering these questions may make it a bit easier for people to come to a consensus.



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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2011, 16:36 
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There are things which don't qualify as porn which are not particularly suited for a thirteen or fourteen year old. I'm loath to go into examples here because I'm pretty sure the parents of younger posters (and the younger posters themselves) might find them objectionable. Granted, it is a hard truth that adults watch porn and that in itself is a topic for discussion, but it's still only one of many. People can talk about it if they want on an adult forum, but they can also talk about other topics without having to censor themselves in case if the next person who reads the thing happens to be a fifteen year old member's parent.



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[QUOTE=Cataphrak;67865]Maybe we could have a member group, identical to the standard member group, but with access to the Adult forum? That way it'll be easy to give and take permission at will.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cataphrak;67870]There are things which don't qualify as porn which are not particularly suited for a thirteen or fourteen year old. I'm loath to go into examples here because I'm pretty sure the parents of younger posters (and the younger posters themselves) might find them objectionable. Granted, it is a hard truth that adults watch porn and that in itself is a topic for discussion, but it's still only one of many. People can talk about it if they want on an adult forum, but they can also talk about other topics without having to censor themselves in case if the next person who reads the thing happens to be a fifteen year old member's parent.[/QUOTE]

These remarks makes perfect sense in my head and was what I used when I ran adult forums. Works pretty well too.
And as much as the idea of splatting Cataphraks squishy grey matter seems from time to time these comments appear most well thought out and educated. (+120 points)

Also,

Can anyone here give Points of Validity on good reasons we SHOULDN'T have an adult forum seeing as there are quite a few Pros listed here it would make more sense to open the floor for cons at this juncture to begins weighing the pros and cons out.




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My own very first comment was pure opinion, based purely on my preference--that's what polls like these are about, after all, not intended for a settling debate as Crystal implied. That being said, you must realise that the "points of validity" you're asking for are going to be firmly situated in a massive, subjective, individual area of personal conscience.

One person may say that an adult board has a legitimate reason to be kept because it will attract more people to the site, while another may say it has a legitimate reason to be removed because they wouldn't want the influence of people whose sole reason for being on the board is the adult board here anyway. And from either's perspective they would be correct and the other wrong.

All things considered:
First, it seems highly unlikely you will receive the points of validity you asked for, for the simple matter that those that are likely to be brought up would not be considered valid by your perspective. (And if we are to assume that a given public site's purpose is to attract visitors/members, I would have to agree with your perspective.)
Second, judging by the vote so far, the point is rendered rather moot.

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Another thought; to prevent the people who, as Zeth had already mentioned, will come here solely because of the existence of the Adult Board, we could always continue to hide the board's existence from non-members. Granted, the fact that we HAVE an adult board will spread from word of mouth alone, but I trust my fellow posters enough to think that said spread will still be limited.

Ultimately, it's the staff, and centrally, Crystal's decision. The staff is allowing us to sway their decision instead of deciding amongst themselves. This not a logical debate, though logic will certainly lend arguments credence. This is a clash of opinions, and We do not need to challenge the other side to give us arguments to refute.



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One advantage of making a minimum post count a criterion for allowing access would be that anyone from outside who did get to hear about the adult board would have to become an active member of the other forums first. I'd be surprised if anyone whose only interest was in a board that they couldn't even see would bother to go to that trouble.

And yes, this thread is intended for garnering opinions, rather than trying to convince anyone of the correctness of one's views, but a good argument for a particular viewpoint may sway one or two into changing their initial opinion, so it's certainly worth backing up your view with well reasoned arguments. (But we certainly wouldn't want anyone getting worked up over anyone else's opposing ideas.)



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Well I think the Adult section would be nice to have for the more mature members. Whether it be to talk about serious subjects, debate over sexual taboos, joke around with suggestive humor, or even have an excuse to post up hot chicks/dudes for the fanservice-loving members like Strawbz, myself, etc. It'd be another outlet and fun/constructive area visit. Although if there's really not many members here really that interested in having it, it'd be moot to add it, even if it was no extra charge or whatever (I don't know how making sites goes).


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