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 Post subject: Radiant Historia
PostPosted: 19 Jul 2011, 16:26 
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If you've been talking to me at all in the past month, you knew this topic was coming.

Making this topic as a general talk topic about, and pasting both discussions about it from my G+ and FB.

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TVTropes! Review Sites! Y u keep downing Raynie and Marco about not having character development? They're still awesome characters somehow; magically. Stop whining about it and be thankful they aren't only NOT throw away characters, but really cool and mostly genre savvy. Especially Marco. That kid's a beaten puppy under that awesome helmet. *small fume*
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I haven't quite figured out yet if Marco's supposed to have a beard or if that's just the collar of his jacket...

Cata:
Marco's actually just a dwarf in a Thaumatech suit. That's how he can fight so proficiently despite being 4'1" and 90 pounds.

Zeth:
Marco's one of only four chars I would agree is a teen. It's part of his coat. It's easier to tell in the OA.

Cata:
Indeed, Stocke looks/is written like a mid-late 20 something, Raynie (like most female JRPG characters) has the body of a porn star, and acts like she's early 20s or so. Eruca... Eruca MIGHT be a late teen...

Zeth:
In my mind I put Stocke 24~28
Raynie 20~25
Marco 15~19
Rosch 30~40 (He's hard to pin down, save definitely older than the others)
Aht (course I'm not sure how being Satyros would impact this estimate) 10~15
Eruca 17~19
Gafka ???—PROFIT

Then there are the various NPCs, some of which were really misleading. Like Raul. Raul looks like he could be 30, max, but behaves like he's pushing 50, and even says in the story that he's getting up in years. It's DAT HAIRCUT. Vanoss is impossible to guess, since he looks like he's in his 40s, but Satyros and Gutrals apparently live hundreds of years (surprise, surprise), judging by the exchange between Barranca and Galva. Dias and Selvan were tricky, but I think possibly late 20s for both is reasonable. Protea, given her indulgent lifestyle and extravagant spending, could in fact be older than she looks, and she looks to be in her 30s. Either way, it would be a reasonable age for her role in the story. Hugo...guh? I can't pin a guess on Hugo.

Cata:
Hugo is quite obviously in his 50s or so. He looks like an older fellow who takes good care of himself. Protea is probably around 30-35, about the right age for King Victor's trophy wife. It's implied that Selvan and Dias convinced Victor to marry Protea, I'd put them at 30-35 as well. As far as I'm concerned and going with the late renaissance/Enlightenment tech level, Raul is in his late 40s and is wearing a wig.

I'm not even going to TOUCH the Gutrals, but Aht acts like a 10 year old to me.

Zeth:
What about Viola?

Cata:
It's implied that Viola's supposed to be a prodigy and the writing definitely says that Viola's young for her rank and that Hugo is older than her. I'd put her at late 20s-early 30s, which is actually a pretty normal age for well-connected/extremely capable officers of the period which RH seems to be based off of.

Zeth:
I was guessing on the older end of your range, so yeah.

Cata:
Mind you, that would make Rosch mid-late 20s, seeing as he's supposed to be "The Young Lion", not the "Reasonably Aged Lion"...

Zeth:
Word of God says he's 21, but I just can't sit with that.
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You gotta admit, some of their character development was a bit rushed.
Raynie: "WHAT!? Betray the person that took us in and gave us purpose in life and the country which I believe in? Never! GOAWAYIHATEYOUSTOCKE!
Five seconds later.
Raynie: S'okay, I'm cool. Let's go commit treason.

Zeth:
Admittedly yes, but it seems like everywhere I look, this is the only thing that gets harped on in the game (save that one Nerdemic review that irrationally hated everything about it for some reason). Maybe it just stands out because it IS one of exceedingly few things that can be negatively criticised.

All things considered, even YOU must concede they're among the best-played-lesser-developed characters.

Cata:
Yeah. I understand that they were supposed to stay dead at the end of the prologue before a last minute change, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they're with you for the entire game and are effectively the mainstay of your party. They're great minor characters, but the amount of time they spend in your party demands so much more of them. Could you imagine if Imoen, Wrex, Lucca or Tifa had gotten the same amount of development those two got?

And further, going to throw out some favourite listing, out of curiosity.
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As for me...
Favourite Story Character - Possibly Heiss, though Selvan amd Vanoss are pretty fly. Even Stocke is really high on my list, and I usually don't go for lead characters.
Favourite Battle Character - Raynie, hands down. Eruca plays a great second fiddle to Raynie, and for supporting/buffing characters, Marco and Aht. I really have no use for Gafka or Rosch.
Favourite Region/Species - Both of the Beastkind species are superfly.
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Favourite 'Wrong' Ending - Need more time to call this one, although
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Also, just read that apparently, Word of God also puts Marco as being 17 years old. Guess he's just short for his age. And stout. And baby-faced. And strong. And generally all around awesome. You go Marco.
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Correction to my earlier statement, Word of God puts Stocke as even younger—19. Bleargh



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 Post subject: Radiant Historia
PostPosted: 19 Jul 2011, 23:58 
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I'm only somewhere in Chapter Two right now, so I'm not really sure I could comment.


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PostPosted: 20 Jul 2011, 10:47 
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I didn't get very far, emu broke down halfway through a cutscene, and had to start again from the beginning because the battery didn't save properly...now using save states, and have gotten back to the first real time-faffery.

So far, loving it to pieces, need to play it more, and looking forward to it xD Love the characters I've seen so far, the combat system is genius, and the concept for gameplay (that is, screwing with the timeline like a timelord on energy drinks) is something I've been hoping to see come about for a fair while now. This could very well be one of, if not -the- best RPG released on the DS, in my opinion at least :P

As for character development of Raynie and Marco, I'm not sure how they manage it, but it's almost as though they're such solid characters that they don't really -need- it to get by, and still remain pretty damned cool.

Finally, I refuse to believe that Stocke is younger than me. Mid-late twenties, possibly, but laaaaate-teen? No effing way xD;



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 Post subject: Radiant Historia
PostPosted: 20 Jul 2011, 20:17 
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Jayge wrote:
As for character development of Raynie and Marco, I'm not sure how they manage it, but it's almost as though they're such solid characters that they don't really -need- it to get by, and still remain pretty damned cool.
I think this is a really great way of expressing how I feel about the matter too. You, as the player/reader, feel like you already know them well enough. To be fair, instances like what Cata pointed out in the top post do crop up annoyingly. It's really not enough of a con to me to matter though.

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Finally, I refuse to believe that Stocke is younger than me. Mid-late twenties, possibly, but laaaaate-teen? No effing way xD;
Hell yes.

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Also, I'd just like to say:
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 Post subject: Radiant Historia
PostPosted: 06 Dec 2011, 00:17 
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Stocke is mad hot. And a total badass.

I know I'm late to the topic but yeah, this game is incredibly underrated. Sadly, because it's on a smaller handheld system instead of a major console release, it gets less publicity in the end…

but sometimes the best ones are the ones left undiscovered by the majority.


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